2-3晚徒步背包容量选择咨询

评论区观点本批讨论围绕一位用户为2-3晚背包旅行选择背包容量展开，其现有32L背包在装入装备后无空间放食物和衣物，考虑是否选择ULA Circuit SV等型号。评论者就容量测量、外部打包、帐篷重量与体积、以及是否改用更轻帐篷或天幕提供了建议和经验。 本批材料只有主帖标题“Pack sizing”和三条评论，评论围绕一顶帐篷是否改作汽车露营用途展开，并追问了帐篷型号；没有出现关于包袋使用、收纳、容量、背负或质量的具体讨论。

• u/Ultralight-ModTeam9月30日 10:12原评论
  关于背包的建议在这个subreddit上非常常见。你也许可以通过搜索找到你想要的。 如果你想继续，请确保你的帖子至少包含以下内容： -使用区域（具体说明，例如“南阿尔卑斯山徒步”，而不是简单的“意大利”），如果有多个，请列出 -购买国家和货币以及可用预算 -装备清单或至少你的其他三大件（庇护所、睡垫和睡袋）以及外出时长，以便潜在帮助者估算所需容量 -使你提出具体情况的特殊要求 还请记住我们的使命声明，并注意重型框架背包，除非在特殊情况下，超出论坛范围，专门讨论此类装备的帖子将被删除。
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  Advice about backpacks is very commonly discussed on this subreddit. You might be able to find what youre looking for by searching. If you want to proceed make sure your post includes at least the following: -area of use (be specific, i.e. "hiking in the southern Alps", NOT simply "Italy"), if theres multiple make a list -country and currency of purchase as well as available budget -packlist or at least your other big 3 (shelter, sleeping pad and sleeping bag) as well as duration of your outings so prospective helpers can estimate needed volume -special requirements that made you ask for your specific case Please also keep our mission statement in mind and remember that heavy framed bags, unless under exceptional circumstances, are beyond the scope of the forum and discussion specifically about such gear will be removed.
• u/jdsweet9月30日 09:45原评论
  恐怕我有点困惑你的问题是什么。我第一次读的时候，你有一个32L的背包，已经可以装下所有装备（15磅基重，包括5磅帐篷）。但似乎你在问是否应该换成一个48L或更大的包，但我不清楚你目前32L包面临什么问题。有什么东西装不进去吗？我想如果你写一份装备清单会很有帮助。
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  I'm afraid I'm a bit confused what your question is. My first read of this is that you have a 32L backpack in which you can already fit all your gear (a 15lb base weight, which includes a 5lb tent). But it seems you're asking if you should shift to a 48L or larger pack, but it's not clear to me what problems you currently face with the 32L pack. Is something not fitting in there? I imagine it would really help if you wrote out a gear list.
• u/kelp_forests9月30日 11:30原评论
  说得好。我的东西装不进32L的包。我已经多年没有背包旅行了，只是汽车露营，然后32L用于一日游/旅行。 当我检查背包尺寸时，我的东西确实能装进32L背包里，但没有空间放食物/衣服，而且包被塞得满满的 https://lighterpack.com/r/xevd22
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  Good point. my stuff doesn’t fit in the 32l pack . I have not backpacked for years, just car camping and then the 32 is for day trips/tracel. When I was checking for pack sizing, my stuff does fit in and on a 32L pack but no room for food/clothes and the thing is packed to the brim https://lighterpack.com/r/xevd22
• u/Upvotes_TikTok9月30日 10:24原评论
  如果你对背包有非常明确的使用场景，就像你一样，你应该买一个能装下你喜欢的帐篷的包。把装备绑在背包外面既走路烦人，更容易导致装备故障（比如被树枝钩住），难以保持帐篷内帐干燥，也更难打包。 话虽如此，我无法想象一个5磅的帐篷能做什么一个2.5磅的不能，假设是三季帐，而且以非常小的功能牺牲，如今1.5磅的帐篷非常令人印象深刻。 除非你的旅行需要携带5升以上的水，我建议根据预算购买Gossamer Gear the two或Durston Xmid，以及Gossamer Gear Murmur或Kumo（同样根据预算），享受户外生活。
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  If you have a very clear use case for the pack like you do, you should get a pack that fits the tent you like. Strapping gear to the outside of a pack is both annoying to walk with, more likely to lead to gear failure (i.e. from snagging on a tree), hard to keep the tent inner dry, and harder to pack. That being said I can't imagine what a 5lb tent can do that a 2.5lb can't assuming a 3 season tent, and for a very modest sacrifice in function the 1.5lb tents these days are very impressive. Unless you are in the 5+ liter water carry range on your trips I'd recommend getting either a Gossamer Gear the two or a Durston Xmid depending on budget and a Gossamer Gear Murmur or Kumo (again depending on budget) and enjoy your life in the outdoors.
• u/kelp_forests9月30日 12:40原评论
  谢谢。对我来说，挑战在于找到一个能装下所有东西，但又不比需要的更大的包。我基本上想要尽可能小的包，能装下所有装备和食物。一些临时或仅用于罕见徒步的物品不是大问题；孩子的睡袋、熊罐……我可以想办法。 关于5磅帐篷能做什么2.5磅帐篷不能做的：我不确定这个问题是不是修辞性的。我看中的帐篷是我一直出于某种奇怪原因想要的，能非常舒适地睡下我和所有装备，以及两个孩子，能承受极端天气。（我讨厌暴风雨时担心帐篷），允许我用手杖进行一日徒步，内部没有冷凝水，容易搭建，接缝没有贴胶带，可以舒适地坐下2到3个人。 我清单上的一些物品肯定可以更轻；但是，我不想在庇护所和水上妥协。我不打算经常全程徒步。我不介意在40天的日行中，在不到50%的徒步距离上多背5到6磅两次。如果我要走大多数超轻量论坛似乎针对的距离，我肯定会追求低于11到10磅的基重。
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  Thanks. For me, the challenging part is finding a pack that will fit everything, but is not larger than needed. I essentially want the smallest pack possible that will hold all my gear and food. A few items that are temporary or only for rare hikes are no big deal; kids sleeping bag, bearcan… I can figure something out Regarding what I can do with a 5- pound tent that a 2.5 tent can’t do: I’m not sure if that question is rhetorical or not. The tent I am looking at is one I have always wanted for some weird reason, sleeps myself very comfortably with all my gear inside, as well as two kids, can withstand extreme weather. (I hate being worried about my tent when it storms), allows me to day hike with my poles, does not have condensation on the inside, it’s easy to set up, does not have tape on the seams, add 2 to 3 people can sit inside it. comfortably. Some of the items on my list could definitely be lighter; however, I do not want to compromise on shelter and water. I don’t plan on through hiking very much. I don’t mind carrying an extra 5 to 6 pounds twice on the 40 daytrip for less than 50% of the hiking distance. If I was putting in the distances, that most of the ultralight forum seems geared toward, I would definitely be shooting for a sub 11 to 10 pound base weight
• u/deadflashlights9月30日 09:58原评论
  2磅的帐篷或0.5磅的天幕比5磅的帐篷舒服多了。
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  A 2lb tent or 0.5lb tarp is way more comfy than a 5lb tent.
• u/kullulu9月30日 10:27原评论
  从我们的角度想想。为了告诉你小容量circuit还是正常容量circuit是否适合你，我们需要知道什么信息。我们需要知道你的所有装备，对吧？ Lighterpack.com 称重你所有的装备，计算你的装备体积，然后你就会知道它是否能装进SV circuit。 没有理由不尝试在这些两晚旅行中使用天幕。你可能会发现你根本不需要circuit，可以换成一个无框架、无腰带的包。
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  Think about this from our perspective. What information would we need to know in order to tell you whether a small volume circuit or a normal volume circuit would work for you. We'd have to know all of your gear, right? Lighterpack.com Weigh all of your gear, figure out your gear's volume, and then you'll know whether it will fit in an SV circuit or not. There's no reason not to try out a tarp for one of these two night trips. You might discover that you don't actually need a circuit at all, and can switch to a frameless pack with no hipbelt.
• u/kelp_forests9月30日 11:52原评论
  https://lighterpack.com/r/xevd22 老实说，我可能可以换成无框架并使用天幕。 但出于非理性和理性的原因，我想要更大更重的帐篷。 不过我会考虑更轻的帐篷，因为那会解决我的很多问题。
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  https://lighterpack.com/r/xevd22 In all honestly I probably could go to frameless and use a tarp. But for irrational and rational reasons I want the bigger and heavier tent. I will debate a lighter tent though as that would solve a lot of problems for me
• u/Top_Contest13989月30日 17:26原评论
  既然32L在放食物和衣服之前就满了，我会在选另一个包之前测量整个负载。把它和三天食物放进一个盒子里，看看占多少空间。也检查一下标称的包容量是否包括外部口袋。15磅基重并不能告诉你帐篷有多笨重。
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  Since the 32L is full before food and clothes, I’d measure the whole load before picking another pack. Put it in a box with food for three nights and see how much space it takes up. Check whether the quoted pack volume includes the outside pockets, too. A 15lb base weight doesn’t tell you how bulky that tent is.
• u/Mountain-Time-10109月30日 19:24原评论
  你应该知道，背包并不总是以相同方式指定容量。例如，有些给出内部容量，有些给出包括前袋和侧袋的总估计容量。 那个包似乎是37L内部容量，估计总容量48L。其他品牌可能会称之为37L包。就我个人而言，我会觉得对于2-3晚普通三季背包旅行和紧凑装备来说，这足够大了。事实上，它可能类似于50L的Arc Haul，后者也有大约37L内部容量。我不认为携带重量有问题，但我不知道你的装备有多笨重。 与竞争对手相比，38盎司的包相当重，但我知道它很受欢迎，也许你有特定理由选择它，例如合身或耐用性。 顺便说一句，为了有帮助，你的lighterpack应该包括所有东西，比如急救包、卫生用品、维修/应急包、便便包等。我发现像防晒霜、驱虫剂、洗手液、药物、急救包必需品（绳索、多功能工具、胶带、药物、酒精湿巾等）实际上确实有显著重量，但常常被忽略在lighterpack计算中。甚至你的铲子和厕纸也应该包括在内，我认为。所以可能会有一些你没想到的额外重量。但即使多一磅也不会真正改变你的主要计算，因为那些东西不应该太笨重。 就我个人而言，我会买一个更小更轻的帐篷，大约2磅，以及一个更轻的包。但那是我的选择。你可以在冬季旅行或登山时使用重帐篷。
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  You should be aware that packs don't always specify volume the same way. For example, some give internal volume and some give total estimated volume include front and side pockets. That pack appears to be 37L internal with an estimated 48L total. Other brands might call that a 37L pack. Personally, I would find that more than large enough for 2-3 nights of ordinary three season backpacking with a compact setup. In fact, it's probably similar to a 50L Arc Haul which also has about 37L internal. I don't see a problem carrying the weight, but I have no idea how bulky your gear is. That is a pretty heavy pack compared to competitors at 38oz, but I know it's popular and perhaps you have a specific reason to choose it, e.g. fit or durability. BTW, to be helpful, your lighterpack should include everything, like first aid kit, hygiene, repair/emergency kit, poop kit, etc. I find that things like sunscreen, insect repellent, hand sanitizer, meds, FAK necessities (cordage, multitool, tape, meds, alcohol wipes, etc.), actually do have significant weight, but are often omitted from lighterpack calculations for some reason. Even your spade and TP should be included, IMO. So there may be some additional weight that you don't expect. But even another pound doesn't really change any of your major calculations because those things shouldn't be too bulky. Personally, I would get a smaller and lighter tent, in the 2 lb range, and also a lighter pack. But that's me. You can use the heavy tent for winter trips or mountaineering.
• u/sloozeberrypie9月30日 23:54原评论
  过去一年我进入了UL或轻量化世界。我的帐篷系列相当不错，但我更喜欢双层独立式（或半独立式）帐篷，我有： Nemo Hornet Elite 2p帐篷27盎司，然后有6盎司地布，使用约3盎司帐篷钉； Nemo Dragonfly 3p帐篷54盎司，带11盎司地布和3盎司帐篷钉； Big Agnes Copper Spur UL 4p 85盎司，带12盎司地布和3盎司帐篷钉。 Hornet和Dragonfly都打包得很好，我可以放进我的40L周末包。那是Hyperlite Mountain Gear Southwest 40。我不太喜欢HMG SW 40，但40L对我来说足够了，即使是3天包，即使是非UL帐篷。 我用Hornet给自己；Dragonfly用于我和儿子背包旅行或一些自行车露营；Copper Spur用于大多数自行车露营、汽车露营或0.5英里徒步带基地营。 4p帐篷使我很难把东西和孩子的物品放进58L包；如果我带3p帐篷和所有孩子的物品（不容易打包），我通常用我的58L包。 我梦想一些徒步，比如Plex Solo Pro 1P帐篷（13.2盎司），没有地布，没有熊罐，但我出去不够多，无法证明那个成本合理。
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  I have shifted into the UL or lightweight world this past year. My quiver of tents is pretty solid but I do prefer doublewall freestanding (or semi freestanding) tents and I have: Nemo Hornet Elite 2p tent at 27 oz, then have a 6 oz footprint, and use ~3 oz of tent stakes; Nemo Dragonfly 3p tent at 54 oz, with an 11 oz footprint, and 3 oz of tent stakes; Big Agnes Copper Spur UL 4p at 85 oz, with 12 oz footprint, and 3 oz of tent stakes. The Hornet and Dragonfly both pack down pretty well and I can fit into my 40L weekend pack. Which is a Hyperlite Mountain Gear Southwest 40. I am not in love with the HMG SW 40 but 40L is enough for me and a 3 day pack even with a non-UL tent. I used the Hornet for myself; Dragonfly for me+son for backpacking or some bikecamping; Copper Spur for most bikecamping, car camping, or .5 mile hike w/ basecamp. The 4p tent makes it hard for me to fit my stuff in a 58L pack with my kids stuff; if I'm bringing the 3p tent with all my kids stuff (which doesn't pack down easily) I usually use my 58L pack. I do dream of some hikes with like a Plex Solo Pro 1P tent (13.2 oz) and no footprint and no bear can but I don't get out enough to justify that cost.
• u/kelp_forests10月1日 04:22原评论
  谢谢，我会看看。 我已经深入研究了背包数周，昨晚对奇怪的容量计算感到沮丧。一直试图避免HMG，因为嗯……我并不是真正的“hyperlite”。我认为使用circuit作为度量标准一直让我困惑，因为一半的容量是外部的，所以它“适合”但也取决于我使用什么容量而不适合。 昨晚就像“好吧，我实际需要的只是一个50L的包……就像一个包”。认为HMG形状是我需要的，找到了一个女性制造商基本上做了同样的东西。消除所有关于外部打包的讨论，等等。包是50L，卷下来到35，完成。 我可以用盒子方法，但我的装备会因不同旅行而不同，我没有3天的露营食物来模拟3天徒步。
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  Thanks I’ll check it out. I’ve been deep diving backpacks for weeks and got frustrated last night on the weird volume calcs. Been trying to avoid HMG just because well..I’m not really “hyperlite”. I think using the circuit as a metric has been throwing me off because half the volume is external, so it “fits” but also doesn’t depending on what volume I use. Last nightt was just like “well what I actually need is just a 50L bag…like a bag”. Figured HMG shape was what I needed and found a fem mfgrs who basically made he same thing. Eliminate all the discussion about external packing, etc. the packs 50L, rolls down to 35, done. I could use box method but my loadout is going to be different for different trips and I don’t have 3 days of camping food to simulate a 3 day hike.
• u/BretMi9月30日 11:04原评论
  我的两分钱：买个更轻的帐篷和更轻的包，大约40-50L。我有一个Superior Wilderness 40L框架包，大约23盎司。5磅帐篷太荒谬了。我的基重低于10磅。
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  My 2 cents get a lighter tent and lighter pack around 40-50L. I have a Superior Wilderness 40L framed around 23oz. 5 pound tent is ridiculous. My bw is under 10#.
• u/kelp_forests9月30日 11:51原评论
  谢谢。我肯定会考虑。部分问题是我真的想要那个特定的帐篷，出于非理性和理性的原因。
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  Thanks. I will definitely think about it. Part of the issue is I really want the specific tent for irrational and rational reasons
• u/BretMi9月30日 21:16原评论
  你仍然可以在汽车露营时用它呀 :)。我第一顶背包露营帐篷现在就是我一个人的汽车露营帐篷了。
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  You can still spend time with it car camping :). My first bp tent is now my car camping tent when it's just me.
• u/sloozeberrypie10月1日 00:23原评论
  什么帐篷？
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  what tent?
• u/kelp_forests10月1日 04:23原评论
  Hilleberg Helags。希望理智最终能占上风。
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  Hilleberg Helags. Good sense will hopefully win out.