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Raide 2L 跑步腰带首次使用体验求助

Raide Running Belt 2L - What am I missing?

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主要问题

楼主用 Large 码（腰围 33 男性）首次跑 Raide 2L 腰带，500ml 瓶很难进出，三个大口袋也几乎塞不进一个瓶子，怀疑自己是否漏了使用步骤。

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its very hard to get in and out a 500ml bottle
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how do you actually fit in all the bottles in the three big pockets? im using 500ml, and could barely jam one of them into a one pocket.
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I undid the velcro and made it as big as possible. I am using a Large (waist 33 male)
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具体建议

有评论者建议两个 600mL 软瓶放后面、朝相反方向指，用按扣固定；前面再塞一个并推到侧面，给零食腾空间。

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u/Apprehensive_Fun8892

Two 600mL flasks go in the back pointing opposite directions so they pack nicely. Seal them in with the snap. I usually stuff another one in the front, and push it along the pocket out to the side to make room for my snacks to fill the rest of the front section.
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个人经历

有评论者能装下 3 个 650 mL Raide 瓶（前 1 后 2），还能把 z-poles 放在带子里并扣上按扣；只在前袋放一瓶时，仍可放手机、湿巾袋、药片和头灯。

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u/atoponce

I can fit 3×650 mL Raide bottles, one in the front and two in the back. I can also fit my z-poles in the straps with the two full bottles in the back, and the snap closed. With only one bottle up front, I still have room for my phone, a plastic baggie with wipes, pills, etc. on one side and I can stuff a headlamp on the other.
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个人经历

有评论者用 Raide 跑 100km，魔术贴一直松开并往上跑，80km 时换成备用背心；但认为结构和低晃动很好。

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u/vancitydave

I used it for 100km but the velcro kept coming loose and riding up, I switched to a backup vest at 80km.
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u/vancitydave

The structure and lack of bounce is really nice though.
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个人经历

有评论者认为 Raide 结构性强，负重时晃动比 Naked belt 小；Naked belt 装两瓶加冰在炎热比赛中晃动大且下滑到胯部，代价是 Raide 后袋取瓶更难。

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u/_streetsbehind

Naked is great when you're running light but the Raide belt is so much more structured therefore much less bounce when loaded.
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u/_streetsbehind

I had my Naked belt loaded up with two bottles + ice at a hot race and it was not only bouncing a ton but slipping down my hips. No such issue with Raide.
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u/_streetsbehind

I agree the tradeoff is that it is harder to get bottles out of the back pocket.
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个人经历

有评论者只把瓶子放后袋，通常带一个满的 650 ml，偶尔加一个 250 ml 或半空 500 ml；认为 Raide 优势是更舒适而非更大容量，前面可放手机、小钱包、零食和防风衣，后面带 650-1000 ml。

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u/_silent_voyager_

I only use bottles in the back pocket. Typically I carry one full 650 ml bottle, but occasionally can add a second 250 ml bottle or half empty 500 ml bottle.
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u/_silent_voyager_

I think the advantage of Raide is a better comfort rather than a larger capacity.
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u/_silent_voyager_

I carry a phone, a tiny wallet, and snacks at the front and can squeeze a wind jacket. I carry 650-1000 ml at the back.
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个人经历

有评论者能装一个 650 和一个 500 在后袋，但更喜欢 Ultraspire 1L 软瓶；认为腰带紧是因为不晃，这对长跑至关重要。

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u/ShrmpHvnNw

It’s tight because it doesn’t bounce. Which is crucial in long….really long runs.
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u/ShrmpHvnNw

The bottle go in the back, I can fit a 650 and a 500 in there, but prefer the Ultraspire 1L soft flask.
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个人经历

有评论者试过 3 种不同的 1.5L 水袋放后袋，装满超过 1L 都装不下；认为 Raide 高速奔跑时晃动小，但代价是高速时瓶子难进出。

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u/Arc43128

I also tried 3 different 1.5L bladders in the back as some guy said he got it to work. But none of them fit if filled much over 1L.
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u/Arc43128

Compared to other belts, it does a good job of not bouncing compared when running at speed. But the direct tradeoff is that it's hard to get bottles in and out when running at speed.
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个人经历

有评论者收着登山杖时无法轻松取水（尤其是放回），因此退掉了 Raide；另一人指出登山杖会挡住后袋入口，需把瓶子放前面。

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u/BackcountryBanter

I ended up returning mine because I couldn’t figure out how to easily access water (really putting it back) with poles stowed.
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u/morriwi

my only complaint is the poles block access to the back pocket so means you gotta throw one in the front if you’re storing poles for any period of time
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具体建议

LECAMO 团队建议把腰带适配和软瓶适配分开测试：脱腰带在空口袋试放装满软瓶，再穿上重复；若身外容易、穿上难，可把细节发给 Raide 客服，若都别扭则提供软瓶型号和卡住位置照片。

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u/lecamo-official

With the belt off, try one filled flask in an otherwise empty pocket, then repeat while wearing it. If it fits easily off-body but becomes difficult on-body, that gives you a useful detail to send Raide support; if it is awkward in both cases, send them the flask model and a photo of where it catches.
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个人经历

有评论者用 Naked Belt 好几年，长跑时戴 5 码和 8 码两条，可舒服携带五个 500ml 瓶、手机、能量胶等；对 Raide 体验相似并退货，认为可能取决于个人偏好和体型。

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u/Numerous-Basket-9186

I've been a Naked Belt user for a few years now and absolutely love it. In fact, I wear two Naked Belts on longer runs, a size 5 and a size 8. Between the two, I can comfortably carry five 500ml bottles, my phone, gels, and other essentials without much bouncing or fuss.
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u/Numerous-Basket-9186

Honestly, my experience with the Raide belt was pretty similar and I ended up returning it. It may simply come down to personal preference and body shape.
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个人经历

有评论者用 Naked Belt 跑 50K、爬升 8K+ 英尺，装登山杖、头灯、水、补给都很好用，更喜欢 Naked Belt。

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u/joshf81

I much prefer the Naked Belt. Just used it for a 50K with 8K+ feet of climbing. Worked great for poles, headlamp, hydration, nutrition
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个人经历

有评论者 95% 跑步爱用 naked belt，认为新 Dera Belt 在需要更多结构时很出色，对 LF2L 失望；若 Dera 补给点间距太大就穿背心。

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u/AverageFlat2566

I love the naked belt for 95% of my running, the new Dera Belt is really excellent for a bit more structure. I was also underwhelmed with the LF2L.
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个人经历

有评论者三个腰带都有，但自从有了 Dera belt 就只用它，认为满足所有要求。

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u/freakk123

I have all three cause I’m a sucker. Since getting the Dera belt it’s the only one I’ve used—checks all the boxes for me.
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个人经历

有评论者用 Dera belt 轻松装两个 575mL 软瓶和 iPhone 17 Pro，能量胶放短裤口袋和后面拉链袋，Boa 旋钮在软瓶空时帮助收紧。

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u/Bamalums

Dera belt is badass FWIW. Two 575mL flasks easy with iphone 17 pro. Gels in shorts pockets and in zipper back and im good. The boa dial helps as the flasks empty to tighten the fit
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个人经历

有评论者用 ultraspire speedboat 跑 ultra，硬瓶容易进出，装备容量刚好够 100k 最低要求（头灯、相机、几个能量胶）。

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u/simon_on_trails

I like my ultraspire speedboat for ultra. Hard flask easy in and out, and it’s just enough gear capacity for the strict minimum especially for 100k (headlamp, my camera, couple of gels)
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正文

背景：过去几年我在路跑比赛中一直用一条 naked belt，今年还用它跑了一个 50k 和一个 50m，效果出奇地好！我 10 天后有一个 100k，上周六是最后一次长跑，我想找它却找不到，非常郁闷。 所以我决定研究一下 2L 的 Raide belt，它好评如潮，但价格也是三倍。今天收到了，第一次跑就非常失望。 可能是我做错了什么，这也是这个帖子的目的。 两个主要不满： 1）500ml 瓶子很难塞进去和拿出来，因为它的构造相对于 naked belt 来说是这样。这个我勉强能接受。 2）三个大口袋里到底怎么才能把所有瓶子都装进去？我用的是 500ml，勉强才能把一个瓶子硬塞进一个口袋。 开箱之后，使用前是不是有什么我漏掉的步骤？ 我撕开了魔术贴，把它调到最大。我用的是 Large（腰围 33，男性）。
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Backstory: I've been using a naked belt for the last couple years in road races and used it this year for a 50k and a 50m and it worked remarkably great! I have 100k coming up in 10 days and last saturday was my last long run, and I was looking for it but I couldn't find it which was a huge bummer. So I decided to look into the 2L Raide belt, which has rave reviews, but is also 3x the cost. So I got it in today, and on my first run, was very underwhelmed. It could be because I am doing something wrong, which is what this post is about. Two main gripes 1) its very hard to get in and out a 500ml bottle, because of the construction relative to the naked belt. I can kind of live with that. 2) how do you actually fit in all the bottles in the three big pockets? im using 500ml, and could barely jam one of them into a one pocket. Out of the box, is there something I am missing to do before using? I undid the velcro and made it as big as possible. I am using a Large (waist 33 male)

评论

本次保存的 25 条评论，非完整评论；不含点赞数
  • u/vancitydave原评论
    说实话我觉得它有点被高估了。我发现它在我腰上位置偏高，也不能像有些人说的那样舒服地装下 2 个 500ml 瓶子。我带着它跑了 100km，但魔术贴一直松开并往上跑，我在 80km 时换成了备用背心。 不过它的结构和低晃动确实很好。
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    I do find it a bit overrated tbh. I find it rides high on my waist and doesn't comfortably fit 2 x 500ml bottles the way some people claim. I used it for 100km but the velcro kept coming loose and riding up, I switched to a backup vest at 80km. The structure and lack of bounce is really nice though.
  • u/Apprehensive_Fun8892原评论
    它很紧，需要练习，但容量和可跑性是真的。两个 600mL 软瓶放在后面，朝相反方向指，这样能装得很好。用按扣把它们固定住。我通常还会在前面再塞一个，并把它沿着口袋推到侧面，给零食腾出前面剩余部分的空间。
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    It’s tight and takes practice but the capacity and runnability is real. Two 600mL flasks go in the back pointing opposite directions so they pack nicely. Seal them in with the snap. I usually stuff another one in the front, and push it along the pocket out to the side to make room for my snacks to fill the rest of the front section.
  • u/morriwi原评论
    我也是这么做的，只要不用登山杖，我真的很喜欢它。
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    This is how I do it too, really love it as long as I’m not using poles
  • u/_streetsbehind原评论
    关键是晃动。Naked 在轻装跑步时很棒，但 Raide belt 结构性强得多，所以负重时晃动小得多。我有一次在炎热比赛中把 Naked belt 装满两个瓶子加冰，不仅晃得厉害，还往下滑到胯部。Raide 没有这个问题。我同意代价是从后袋取瓶子更难。
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    It's the bounce. Naked is great when you're running light but the Raide belt is so much more structured therefore much less bounce when loaded. I had my Naked belt loaded up with two bottles + ice at a hot race and it was not only bouncing a ton but slipping down my hips. No such issue with Raide. I agree the tradeoff is that it is harder to get bottles out of the back pocket.
  • u/joshf81原评论
    类似体验……我更喜欢 Naked Belt。刚用它跑了一个 50K，爬升 8K+ 英尺。装登山杖、头灯、水、补给都很好用。
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    Similiar experience.... I much prefer the Naked Belt. Just used it for a 50K with 8K+ feet of climbing. Worked great for poles, headlamp, hydration, nutrition
  • u/AverageFlat2566原评论
    我 95% 的跑步都爱用 naked belt，新的 Dera Belt 在需要更多结构时非常出色。我对 LF2L 也很失望。如果 Dera 的补给点间距太大，我就套上背心，唉。
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    I love the naked belt for 95% of my running, the new Dera Belt is really excellent for a bit more structure. I was also underwhelmed with the LF2L. if distance between aides is too much for the Dera I throw on a vest, groan.
  • u/freakk123原评论
    我三个都有，因为我是个冤大头。自从有了 Dera belt，它就是我唯一用的——对我来说满足所有要求。
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    I have all three cause I’m a sucker. Since getting the Dera belt it’s the only one I’ve used—checks all the boxes for me.
  • u/atoponce原评论
    它确实紧，毫无疑问。但我能装下 3 个 650 mL 的 Raide 瓶子，一个在前面，两个在后面。我还能把 z-poles 放在带子里，同时后面有两个满瓶，并扣上按扣。只在前面的一个瓶子时，我仍有空间在一侧放手机、一个装湿巾的塑料袋、药片等，另一侧还能塞个头灯。
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    It's tight, no doubt. But I can fit 3×650 mL Raide bottles, one in the front and two in the back. I can also fit my z-poles in the straps with the two full bottles in the back, and the snap closed. With only one bottle up front, I still have room for my phone, a plastic baggie with wipes, pills, etc. on one side and I can stuff a headlamp on the other.
  • u/BackcountryBanter原评论
    这样装的话，它绝不可能比背心更舒服，功能性也差 100 倍。技术上可能，但也就仅此而已。
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    There is zero chance this is more comfortable than a vest, and 100x less functional when packed this way. Technically possible but that’s about it
  • u/atoponce原评论
    我拿取需要的东西没问题。随着我喝水，软瓶变小，空间很快打开。只有刚开始阶段紧，之后就不是问题了。 我对背心的意见是，带子会磨我腋下，后背又湿又粘，还会干扰胸带，而且前面只能装有限的东西。对我来说腰带明显更好用。
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    I have no problem accessing what I need. As I drink, the flasks get smaller and space opens up quickly. It's only tight in the early stages, then it's no big deal. My problems with vests is they chafe under my arm with the straps, cause a sweaty sticky back, interrupt the chest strap, and only hold limited items in the front. Belts work significantly better for me.
  • u/BackcountryBanter原评论
    我最后把它退了，因为收着登山杖时，我搞不定如何轻松取水（尤其是放回去）。背心的问题确实存在。
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    I ended up returning mine because I couldn’t figure out how to easily access water (really putting it back) with poles stowed. Valid vest issues
  • u/morriwi原评论
    我也这么做过，我唯一的抱怨是登山杖会挡住后袋的入口，所以如果你要收着登山杖一段时间，就得把一个瓶子放到前面。
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    Ive done this too, my only complaint is the poles block access to the back pocket so means you gotta throw one in the front if you’re storing poles for any period of time
  • u/djbready原评论
    哇！你怎么装下三个瓶子的？厉害。
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    wow! how do you fit three bottles? impressive
  • u/watermelon_wormhole原评论
    绝对是过去几年被过度吹捧（嘘）的装备之一。我喜欢这个品牌的很多方面，但他们似乎确实受益于炒作。 我个人 90 分钟左右以内用 Dera，更长时间且能在补给点补给的用 Ultraspire Mountain Racer。
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    Definitely one of the more over-raide-ed (boooo) pieces of gear from the last couple years. I like a lot about the brand but they do seem to benefit from the hype train. Personally I use Dera for anything 90ish minutes or less and the Ultraspire Mountain Racer for anything longer where I can restock at spots.
  • u/BackcountryBanter原评论
    我想不出一个使用场景，在实际按预期/宣传方式使用时，Raide belt 会比 Naked belt 或背心更好。
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    I cannot figure out a use case in which the Raide belt is better than either a Naked belt or a vest when actually used as intended/marketed.
  • u/Numerous-Basket-9186原评论
    我可能不是回答你关于 Raide belt 问题的最佳人选，但我可以分享我的经验。我用 Naked Belt 好几年了，非常喜欢。事实上，长跑时我会戴两条 Naked Belt，一条 5 码和一条 8 码。两者结合，我可以舒服地携带五个 500ml 瓶子、手机、能量胶和其他必需品，晃动或麻烦都不多。老实说，我对 Raide belt 的体验很相似，最后退了。这可能只是个人偏好和体型的问题。希望掌握了 Raide 用法的人能来给点建议，因为我也一头雾水！
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    I might not be the best person to answer your questions about the Raide belt, but I can share my experience. I've been a Naked Belt user for a few years now and absolutely love it. In fact, I wear two Naked Belts on longer runs, a size 5 and a size 8. Between the two, I can comfortably carry five 500ml bottles, my phone, gels, and other essentials without much bouncing or fuss. Honestly, my experience with the Raide belt was pretty similar and I ended up returning it. It may simply come down to personal preference and body shape. Hopefully someone who has mastered the Raide setup can chime in with some tips, because I was left scratching my head too!
  • u/_silent_voyager_原评论
    我只把瓶子放在后袋。通常带一个满的 650 ml 瓶子，偶尔能再加一个 250 ml 瓶子或半空的 500 ml 瓶子。我不会带更多，如果需要更多水，我就直接穿背心。 我认为 Raide 的优势是更舒适，而不是更大容量。我在前面带手机、一个小钱包和零食，还能塞下一件防风衣。后面带 650-1000 ml。偶尔我也把登山杖放在后面。我也有 Naked belt，绝对能装同样多的装备，但觉得没那么舒服。所以我更常用 Raide，尤其是在比赛或跑步路线上有水源可过滤时。
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    I only use bottles in the back pocket. Typically I carry one full 650 ml bottle, but occasionally can add a second 250 ml bottle or half empty 500 ml bottle. I wouldn't carry more and if I needed more water, I'd just wear a vest. I think the advantage of Raide is a better comfort rather than a larger capacity. I carry a phone, a tiny wallet, and snacks at the front and can squeeze a wind jacket. I carry 650-1000 ml at the back. Occasionally I also carry poles at the back. I also own a Naked belt I can definitely fit the same amount of gear in it, but find that less comfortable. So I tend to use Raide more often, especially when running races or when there is water available to filter on a running route.
  • u/simon_on_trails原评论
    我喜欢在 ultra 用我的 ultraspire speedboat。硬瓶容易进出，而且装备容量刚好够严格最低要求，尤其是 100k（头灯、我的相机、几个能量胶）。
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    I like my ultraspire speedboat for ultra. Hard flask easy in and out, and it’s just enough gear capacity for the strict minimum especially for 100k (headlamp, my camera, couple of gels)
  • u/BackcountryBanter原评论
    我觉得晃荡声会把我逼疯。
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    I feel like the sloshing would drive me mad
  • u/lecamo-official原评论
    这里是 LECAMO 团队。你用的是哪种 500 ml 软瓶？评论里提到了好几种不同瓶型，所以把腰带适配和软瓶适配分开会更有帮助：相同容量不代表长度、宽度或瓶盖形状相同。把腰带脱下来，在一个空口袋里试放一个装满的软瓶，然后穿上再重复。如果在身外容易放，穿上后变难，这就给了你一个有用的细节发给 Raide 客服；如果两种情况都别扭，就把软瓶型号和卡住位置的照片发给他们。我没有测试过你的腰带/软瓶组合，所以我不会假设买另一个瓶子或换大一号就能解决。
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    LECAMO team here. Which 500 ml flasks are you using? The comments mention several different bottle sizes, so it would help to separate belt fit from flask fit: equal volume does not mean equal length, width or cap shape. With the belt off, try one filled flask in an otherwise empty pocket, then repeat while wearing it. If it fits easily off-body but becomes difficult on-body, that gives you a useful detail to send Raide support; if it is awkward in both cases, send them the flask model and a photo of where it catches. I have not tested your belt/flask combination, so I would not assume that buying another bottle or sizing up will solve it.
  • u/Arc43128原评论
    顺便说一句，我也有同样体验。 和其他腰带相比，它在高速奔跑时确实不怎么晃。但直接的代价是高速奔跑时瓶子很难进出。 我还试过 3 种不同的 1.5L 水袋放在后面，因为有人说他成功了。但装满超过 1L 就都装不下。 我的看法是它不是坏装备，有它的位置，但似乎被过度炒作了。
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    I've had the same experience FWIW. Compared to other belts, it does a good job of not bouncing compared when running at speed. But the direct tradeoff is that it's hard to get bottles in and out when running at speed. I also tried 3 different 1.5L bladders in the back as some guy said he got it to work. But none of them fit if filled much over 1L. My take is that it's not a bad piece of kit and has its place, but seems over hyped.
  • u/djbready原评论
    而且贵，我打算试试 Naked HC belt。
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    And pricy, I'm going to try the Naked HC belt
  • u/BackcountryBanter原评论
    在我看来，这是过度设计、过度营销、令人失望的产品。坚持用你现有的吧。
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    Over-engineered, over-marketed, under-whelming product IMO. Stick with what you have
  • u/Bamalums原评论
    顺便说一句，Dera belt 很棒。两个 575mL 软瓶轻松装下，还有 iPhone 17 Pro。能量胶放短裤口袋和后面拉链袋，我就够了。Boa 旋钮在软瓶空了时有助于收紧贴合。
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    Dera belt is badass FWIW. Two 575mL flasks easy with iphone 17 pro. Gels in shorts pockets and in zipper back and im good. The boa dial helps as the flasks empty to tighten the fit
  • u/ShrmpHvnNw原评论
    它紧是因为它不晃。这在长……真的很长的跑步中至关重要。 瓶子放在后面，我能装一个 650 和一个 500，但更喜欢 Ultraspire 1L 软瓶。
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    It’s tight because it doesn’t bounce. Which is crucial in long….really long runs. The bottle go in the back, I can fit a 650 and a 500 in there, but prefer the Ultraspire 1L soft flask.