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旅行包袋使用痛点征集与设计提问

What do you actually hate about the bags you use for travel?

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AI 导读

楼主在印度筹备旅行包品牌，征集用户对现有包袋的不满，要求具体痛点而非泛泛推荐。评论者提出侧面取放笔记本、隐藏挂载点、可收纳可拆卸防雨罩、快速取放口袋等需求，并报告CTB26满载时舒适性不足、Evergoods背负系统不适合全天负重。

讨论分析

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主帖

I’m working on a new travel bag brand in India and before I finalize any products, I want to understand what people actually find annoying about the bags they already own.
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u/ducmite

My first bag with laptop compartment in the side was Timbuk2 HAL about 15 years ago.
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u/moksori

Favorite feature I wish other bags had: built in/removable raincover.
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u/Jorge-I-Figueroa

my back was marked, the evergoods harness is mot made for that
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关键发现

ducmite 使用 Timbuk2 HAL 约15年，喜欢侧面取放笔记本电脑隔层，认为在包侧放时长椅上可不开主仓取放；现用 CTB26 延续此设计。

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u/ducmite

My first bag with laptop compartment in the side was Timbuk2 HAL about 15 years ago. It is a brilliant idea, if you lift bag next to you on a bench sideways then you can access laptop compartment and small items without opening the whole cargo pocket. My current go to bag is CTB26 with the same idea even more refined.
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moksori 在热带潮湿国家通勤，指出背包肩带无衬垫勒肩、背部出汗、不能自立、笔记本隔层保护不足、缺乏收纳面板、无外部侧袋、不防水防污、太大笨重等问题；喜欢内置可拆卸防雨罩（U Elements 有），希望尺寸为个人物品大小。

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u/moksori

Uncomfortable/unpadded straps that dig in to my shoulders - Sweaty back during commute in a tropical humid country - Doesn't stand up on its own, so it's difficult to put down near my desk. I need it to be stiff/hold its shape - Laptop compartment too unprotected. I would prefer false bottom/corner guards - Lack of organizers/admin panel. I find big empty compartments too unwieldy. I would prefer interior side pockets for small items, a strap/loop for attaching my keys, IDs, space for chargers/connectors/flash drives/pens - Lack of exterior expandable side pockets. I have a foldable umbrella and a regular sized water tumbler that I regularly need to be accessible. - Non-water/stain resistant materials - Too big and bulky. Size-wise, I would prefer personal item size for air travel.
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u/moksori

Favorite feature I wish other bags had: built in/removable raincover. My beat up U Elements had one.
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OJGThree 希望快速取放口袋（QAP）真正快速且不受主仓装载影响；认为拉链上的Aquaguard是没用的高级功能；希望Smart Alec顶部翻盖整合QAP。

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u/OJGThree

Feature I wish more bags had: QAP that fulfills the "Q" part and doesn't get limited by how much is in the main compartment
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u/OJGThree

Useless premium feature: aquaguard on zippers
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u/OJGThree

Bag specific: would love if a QAP was incorporated into the top flap on the Smart Alec, just doesn't feel good trying to use the side pockets for that
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Jorge-I-Figueroa 在京都、伏见稻荷、金阁寺、岚山全天携带CTB26，装笔记本电脑等，背部被勒出印子，认为Evergoods背负系统不适合；MPL22也不够舒适。

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u/Jorge-I-Figueroa

They look nice, ctb26 carries a ton, but I took mine all day, laptop and all in Kyoto, Fushimi inari, kinkaku ji, bought some sukajan , arashiyama and my back was marked, the evergoods harness is mot made for that, i also have a mpl22 and not even that is that comfortable (this one is great for throwing thing in quickly)
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ducmite 认为CTB26舒适性取决于背长，肩带收紧时很好，太松时底端搁下背部，重载可能勒入；见过有人拆背部结构板可能有帮助。

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u/ducmite

I think it depends on how tall back user has. If I have my CTB26 straps tight it is great but I can tell when shoulder straps are too loose, the bottom end rests on my lower back and I feel with a heavy load it could really dig in and be uncomfortable. I've seen people mention that removing the structural sheet in the back would help.
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适用条件与未解决问题

评论者多为个人体验，未提供具体负重数值、包袋尺寸或长期使用后的质量数据。

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u/Jorge-I-Figueroa

my back was marked, the evergoods harness is mot made for that
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关于CTB26舒适性的讨论未涉及具体重量阈值，仅描述主观感受。

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u/ducmite

I feel with a heavy load it could really dig in and be uncomfortable.
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展开分批摘录（12 条）

个人经历

ducmite 使用 Timbuk2 HAL 约15年，喜欢侧面取放笔记本电脑隔层，认为在包侧放时长椅上可不开主仓取放；现用 CTB26 延续此设计。

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u/ducmite

My first bag with laptop compartment in the side was Timbuk2 HAL about 15 years ago. It is a brilliant idea, if you lift bag next to you on a bench sideways then you can access laptop compartment and small items without opening the whole cargo pocket. My current go to bag is CTB26 with the same idea even more refined.
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具体建议

ducmite 建议在包底部增加类似MOLLE的挂载点，用于固定厚夹克、毯子、额外包等，不用时齐平不可见；也可设计附加配件。

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u/ducmite

I would like to see couple MOLLE like attachment points in the bottom of the bag, so I could use couple straps for things like a heavy jacket, blanket, extra bag etc. When unused, they would be flush and not visible.
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个人经历

ducmite 在客户现场工作时希望解放双手，会挂夹克；额外包可装运动鞋；底部MOLLE同色时几乎不可见，外侧可见织带只适合某些审美。

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u/ducmite

I used to do onsite at our clients, sometimes it would have been nice to have my jacket off my hands while roaming in customer’s premises.
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u/ducmite

Size wise maybe something that would fit a pair of sneakers at least.
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u/ducmite

In the bottom of the bag the molle loops would be practically invisible especially if same color as bottom.
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主要问题

00Anonymous 认为包有太多单一用途的空间。

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u/00Anonymous

Bags have way too many single use spaces.
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个人经历

moksori 在热带潮湿国家通勤，指出背包肩带无衬垫勒肩、背部出汗、不能自立、笔记本隔层保护不足、缺乏收纳面板、无外部侧袋、不防水防污、太大笨重等问题；喜欢内置可拆卸防雨罩（U Elements 有），希望尺寸为个人物品大小。

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u/moksori

Uncomfortable/unpadded straps that dig in to my shoulders - Sweaty back during commute in a tropical humid country - Doesn't stand up on its own, so it's difficult to put down near my desk. I need it to be stiff/hold its shape - Laptop compartment too unprotected. I would prefer false bottom/corner guards - Lack of organizers/admin panel. I find big empty compartments too unwieldy. I would prefer interior side pockets for small items, a strap/loop for attaching my keys, IDs, space for chargers/connectors/flash drives/pens - Lack of exterior expandable side pockets. I have a foldable umbrella and a regular sized water tumbler that I regularly need to be accessible. - Non-water/stain resistant materials - Too big and bulky. Size-wise, I would prefer personal item size for air travel.
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u/moksori

Favorite feature I wish other bags had: built in/removable raincover. My beat up U Elements had one.
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具体建议

ducmite 建议防雨罩可收纳但可拆卸，以便用后晾干。

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u/ducmite

Stowable but removable so it can be left out to dry after use.
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个人经历

moksori 坚持可收纳且可拆卸的防雨罩，现有包内置，用小扣固定底部，可解开晾干再扣回；理想容量25-30L，希望有拉链扩展。

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u/moksori

Won't compromise on: the stowable AND removable rain cover. The one I have now is built-in/included with the bag. It locks in at the bottom with a tiny clip, then when it rains and I need to dry it off, I can unclip it and just attach it back when it's dry.
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u/moksori

Ideal size: 25-30L. Expandability through zippers ideal, I guess
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具体建议

OJGThree 希望快速取放口袋（QAP）真正快速且不受主仓装载影响；认为拉链上的Aquaguard是没用的高级功能；希望Smart Alec顶部翻盖整合QAP。

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u/OJGThree

Feature I wish more bags had: QAP that fulfills the "Q" part and doesn't get limited by how much is in the main compartment
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u/OJGThree

Useless premium feature: aquaguard on zippers
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u/OJGThree

Bag specific: would love if a QAP was incorporated into the top flap on the Smart Alec, just doesn't feel good trying to use the side pockets for that
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具体建议

OJGThree 希望QAP在背着时也能取用，但放下时取用也重要；不需要大矩形盒子，只需能装手机、钱包、钥匙等过TSA前从口袋拿出的东西。

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u/OJGThree

Ideally when worn, but not that much less important when set down....and I am not asking for a big rectangular box on the outside of the bag, just something that, yeah, can hold a phone, wallet, keys, anything that I want to take out of my pockets and put in the bag before going through TSA
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个人经历

Jorge-I-Figueroa 是Evergoods粉丝，拥有多款包，认为CTB26装满时舒适性设计差。

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u/Jorge-I-Figueroa

I'm a big fan of evergoods, love the ctb26, but boy, it is so poorly designed for comfort when packed.
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个人经历

Jorge-I-Figueroa 在京都、伏见稻荷、金阁寺、岚山全天携带CTB26，装笔记本电脑等，背部被勒出印子，认为Evergoods背负系统不适合；MPL22也不够舒适。

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u/Jorge-I-Figueroa

They look nice, ctb26 carries a ton, but I took mine all day, laptop and all in Kyoto, Fushimi inari, kinkaku ji, bought some sukajan , arashiyama and my back was marked, the evergoods harness is mot made for that, i also have a mpl22 and not even that is that comfortable (this one is great for throwing thing in quickly)
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个人经历

ducmite 认为CTB26舒适性取决于背长，肩带收紧时很好，太松时底端搁下背部，重载可能勒入；见过有人拆背部结构板可能有帮助。

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u/ducmite

I think it depends on how tall back user has. If I have my CTB26 straps tight it is great but I can tell when shoulder straps are too loose, the bottom end rests on my lower back and I feel with a heavy load it could really dig in and be uncomfortable. I've seen people mention that removing the structural sheet in the back would help.
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正文

我正在印度做一个新的旅行包品牌，在最终确定任何产品之前，我想了解人们对自己现有包袋真正感到恼火的地方。 我不想要“质量更好”或“口袋更多”这类泛泛的回答。我感兴趣的是旅行时真正让你恼火的小事。 例如： 一个看起来很棒但背了2–3小时后变得不舒服的背包 笔记本电脑隔层不能很好地容纳充电器/配件 在机场难以取用的拉链 隔层太多，但真正需要的东西却无处可放 网上看起来高级，实物却感觉廉价 浪费大量内部空间的登机箱 装满后变得不舒服的行李袋 与拉杆箱拉杆配合不好的背包肩带 水瓶/鞋子/衣服在包内混在一起 包很快就变脏 缺乏对线缆、护照、钱包、耳机等物品的有用收纳 要么过于极简，要么设计得离谱地过度 所以，如果你能重新设计你现在的旅行包，你最先想改的3件事是什么？ 如果你最近买了一个包并退货了，或者后悔买了它，具体是什么让你后悔？ 我也很想知道： 你最常使用哪种类型的包？ 你通常携带什么？ 你希望更多包具备的一个功能是什么？ 你认为哪一个“高级”功能完全没用？ 对于一个真正设计精良的旅行包，什么价格感觉合理？ 我特别感兴趣的是问题和不满，而不是对特定品牌的推荐。 谢谢——我试图围绕实际问题来打造，而不是假设我知道旅行者想要什么。
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I’m working on a new travel bag brand in India and before I finalize any products, I want to understand what people actually find annoying about the bags they already own. Not looking for generic answers like “better quality” or “more pockets.” I’m interested in the small things that genuinely piss you off when you travel. For example: A backpack that looks great but becomes uncomfortable after 2–3 hours Laptop compartments that don't fit chargers/accessories properly Zippers that are difficult to access at airports Too many compartments but nowhere for the things you actually need Bags that look premium online but feel cheap in person Carry-ons that waste a lot of internal space Duffel bags that become uncomfortable when fully packed Backpack straps that don't work well with trolley handles Water bottles/shoes/clothes mixing together inside the bag Bags getting dirty very quickly Lack of useful organization for cables, passport, wallet, earbuds, etc. Bags that are either too minimalist or ridiculously over-designed So if you could redesign your current travel bag, what are the first 3 things you'd change? And if you've bought a bag recently and returned it or regretted buying it, what specifically made you regret it? I'd also love to know: What type of bag do you use most? What do you usually carry? What's one feature you wish more bags had? What's one "premium" feature that you think is completely useless? What price feels reasonable for a genuinely well-designed travel bag? I'm specifically interested in the problems and frustrations, not recommendations for particular brands. Thanks — trying to build around actual problems rather than assuming I know what travelers want.

评论

本次保存的 19 条评论，非完整评论；不含点赞数
  • u/ducmite原评论
    我其实不怎么“旅行”——我只是坐在自己的车里，但我有看法…… :D 侧面取放笔记本电脑/平板/杂志/文件等。 我第一个带侧面笔记本电脑隔层的包是大约15年前的Timbuk2 HAL。这是个绝妙的主意，如果你把包侧着放在旁边的长椅上，就可以在不打开整个主仓的情况下取放笔记本电脑隔层和小物件。我现在的主力包是CTB26，同样的思路但更精细。 我希望包底部能有几个类似MOLLE的挂载点，这样我可以用几条绑带固定像厚夹克、毯子、额外包之类的东西。不用时它们可以齐平且不可见。这里的Molle我指的是标准尺寸的挂载件。 另一个是织带挂载点，想法来自这个帖子 https://www.reddit.com/r/ManyBaggers/comments/1wirea6/solved_it/ 人们可以用它携带额外衣物或自行车头盔之类的。只需要在合适位置有一些结实的挂载点。 既然你设计挂载件，你也可以设计附加配件来赚取额外利润。只是说说 :) 还有不同尺寸的收纳袋（用于衣物、电子产品和其他）——做成像俄罗斯方块一样能放进包里的。
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    I don't really 'travel' - I just sit in my own car but do I have opinions... :D A side access for laptop/tablet/magazine/papers etc. My first bag with laptop compartment in the side was Timbuk2 HAL about 15 years ago. It is a brilliant idea, if you lift bag next to you on a bench sideways then you can access laptop compartment and small items without opening the whole cargo pocket. My current go to bag is CTB26 with the same idea even more refined. I would like to see couple MOLLE like attachment points in the bottom of the bag, so I could use couple straps for things like a heavy jacket, blanket, extra bag etc. When unused, they would be flush and not visible. Molle in this case I would refer to the standard size of the attachments. Another would be attachment points for webbing, idea from this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/ManyBaggers/comments/1wirea6/solved_it/ People coud carry extra clothes or bicycle helmet or whatever with one. All it would need are some sturdy attachment points in right places. Since you design the attachments, you could also design addons to go for extra profit. Just saying :) Also different size packing cubes (for clothes, electronics and other) - make ones that fit in the bag like tetris blocks.
  • u/Less_Marsupial_2919原评论
    哈哈，“我其实不旅行但我有看法”正是我希望得到的那种调研。😂 侧面取放笔记本电脑的想法特别有意思。你发现自己使用那个开口，主要是因为更快，还是因为当包放在你旁边时你不想打开主仓？ 我真的很喜欢隐藏挂载点的想法。如果你有它们，你最常实际会挂什么——夹克、头盔、毯子、购物袋/额外包、三脚架等？ 另外，你希望挂载点在不使用时几乎看不见，还是如果可见的织带/MOLLE能让它们更通用，你也可以接受？
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    Haha, “I don't really travel but I have opinions” is exactly the kind of research I was hoping for. 😂 The side-access laptop idea is particularly interesting. Do you find yourself using that access mainly because it's faster, or because you don't want to open the main compartment when the bag is sitting beside you? And I really like the idea of hidden attachment points. If you had them, what would you realistically attach most often — jacket, helmet, blanket, grocery/extra bag, tripod, etc.? Also, would you prefer the attachment points to be almost invisible when not in use, or would you be okay with visible webbing/MOLLE if it made them more versatile?
  • u/ducmite原评论
    我以前在客户现场工作，有时在客户场所走动时，能把夹克从手里解放出来会很好。我手里已经拿着手机或笔记本电脑了。其他人在旅行时也可能用得上。如果我带的是邮差包，我会把夹克搭在上面。 毯子可能是指像带孩子野餐之类的情况 :) 额外包让我想到Division暗区包的感觉，但也许少点生化危险的样子。要么是我在家就挂上的更大的包，要么是某种折叠包，需要时能拿出来，装满并扣到位。尺寸上也许至少能装下一双运动鞋。 在包底部，MOLLE环实际上会几乎看不见，尤其是如果和底部同色。我把MOLLE作为参考，因为这样就能适配任何相同标准的小包。 在外侧，可见的织带只适合某些审美。
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    I used to do onsite at our clients, sometimes it would have been nice to have my jacket off my hands while roaming in customer’s premises. I would already have phone or laptop in my hands. Someone else could use it while traveling as well. If I had my messenger bag, I would have jacket hanging over it. Blanket would probably mean something like picnic with kids :) Extra bag gives me Division dark zone bag vibes, but maybe less biohazard look. Either bigger bag I would attach at home or some folding one I could whip out when needed, fill and snap in place. Size wise maybe something that would fit a pair of sneakers at least. In the bottom of the bag the molle loops would be practically invisible especially if same color as bottom. I keep the molle as a reference because it would then fit any same standard pouch. On the outside visible webbing fits only certain aesthetics.
  • u/00Anonymous原评论
    包有太多单一用途的空间。
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    Bags have way too many single use spaces.
  • u/Less_Marsupial_2919原评论
    这正是我想理解的那类问题。 你的意思是，你宁愿要更少但更灵活的隔层，同一个空间可以根据你携带的东西来适应？ 你现在的包里有没有哪些具体的口袋/隔层是你基本从不使用的？
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    This is exactly the kind of problem I'm trying to understand. Do you mean that you'd rather have fewer but more flexible compartments, where the same space can adapt depending on what you're carrying? And are there any specific pockets/compartments in your current bag that you basically never use?
  • u/00Anonymous原评论
    我从不买不符合我要求的包。所以不，我没有什么问题需要解决。
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    I never buy bags that don't fit my requirements. So no, I don't have any problems to solve.
  • u/moksori原评论
    我对背包的常见问题：- 不舒服/没有衬垫的肩带会勒进肩膀 - 在热带潮湿国家通勤时背部出汗 - 不能自己立住，所以放在办公桌旁很困难。我需要它硬挺/保持形状 - 笔记本电脑隔层保护不足。我更喜欢假底/护角 - 缺乏收纳/管理面板。我觉得大而空的主仓太笨重。我更喜欢内部侧袋放小物件，一个带子/环用来挂钥匙、证件，放充电器/连接线/U盘/笔的空间 - 缺乏外部可扩展侧袋。我有一把折叠伞和一个常规尺寸的水杯，需要经常能取用 - 不防水/防污的材料 - 太大太笨重。尺寸上，我更喜欢航空旅行时的个人物品尺寸。 - 我希望其他包有的最爱功能：内置/可拆卸防雨罩。我那个破旧的U Elements有一个。包底部的一个小扁袋里连着防雨罩。所以如果下雨，或者只是为了防扒手，我就会把罩子拉出来套上。 - 不满：包的审美总是要么太粗犷，要么太“办公科技风”，很少有一个干净、两者都能接受的融合。
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    My common problems with backpacks: - Uncomfortable/unpadded straps that dig in to my shoulders - Sweaty back during commute in a tropical humid country - Doesn't stand up on its own, so it's difficult to put down near my desk. I need it to be stiff/hold its shape - Laptop compartment too unprotected. I would prefer false bottom/corner guards - Lack of organizers/admin panel. I find big empty compartments too unwieldy. I would prefer interior side pockets for small items, a strap/loop for attaching my keys, IDs, space for chargers/connectors/flash drives/pens - Lack of exterior expandable side pockets. I have a foldable umbrella and a regular sized water tumbler that I regularly need to be accessible. - Non-water/stain resistant materials - Too big and bulky. Size-wise, I would prefer personal item size for air travel. - Favorite feature I wish other bags had: built in/removable raincover. My beat up U Elements had one. A small flat pocket on the underside of the bag had a raincover attached inside. So if it was rainy, or simply to protect the bag from pickpockets, I'd pull the cover on. - Frustrations: That bag aesthetics are always too rugged looking or too 'office techy', rarely a nice clean passable blend for both.
  • u/networkriot原评论
    内置防雨罩真是个很好的功能。
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    Built in rain covers are such a nice feature.
  • u/Less_Marsupial_2919原评论
    是的，我也开始意识到这一点。尤其是如果防雨罩实际上是内置在包里，而不是一个你得记得携带的独立东西。 你更喜欢永久连接/可收纳的防雨罩，还是完全可拆卸的？
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    Yeah, I’m starting to realize that too. Especially if the rain cover is actually built into the bag rather than being a separate thing you have to remember to carry. Would you prefer a permanently attached/stowable rain cover, or a completely removable one?
  • u/ducmite原评论
    可收纳但可拆卸，这样用完后可以拿出来晾干。
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    Stowable but removable so it can be left out to dry after use.
  • u/Less_Marsupial_2919原评论
    这非常有用，尤其是关于包被困在“粗犷”和“办公科技风”之间的那一点。 如果你能围绕这些问题设计你理想的背包，你绝对不愿妥协的一件事是什么？ 对于日常通勤加偶尔2–3天旅行，你觉得大概什么尺寸/容量最理想？
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    This is incredibly useful, especially the point about the bag being stuck between “rugged” and “office techy.” If you could design your ideal backpack around these problems, what would the one thing be that you'd absolutely refuse to compromise on? And roughly what size/capacity do you find ideal for a daily commute + occasional 2–3 day trip?
  • u/moksori原评论
    不会妥协的是：可收纳且可拆卸的防雨罩。我现在这个包是内置/随包附带的。它用一个小扣固定在底部，下雨时我需要晾干它，就可以解开扣子，干了再扣回去。 理想尺寸：25-30L。通过拉链扩展容量比较理想，我想。
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    Won't compromise on: the stowable AND removable rain cover. The one I have now is built-in/included with the bag. It locks in at the bottom with a tiny clip, then when it rains and I need to dry it off, I can unclip it and just attach it back when it's dry. Ideal size: 25-30L. Expandability through zippers ideal, I guess
  • u/OJGThree原评论
    我希望更多包有的功能：快速取放口袋（QAP）真正满足“快速”的部分，并且不受主仓装了多少东西的限制 没用的高级功能：拉链上的Aquaguard 具体到包：希望Smart Alec的顶部翻盖能整合一个QAP，用侧袋来做这个感觉不好
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    Feature I wish more bags had: QAP that fulfills the "Q" part and doesn't get limited by how much is in the main compartment Useless premium feature: aquaguard on zippers Bag specific: would love if a QAP was incorporated into the top flap on the Smart Alec, just doesn't feel good trying to use the side pockets for that
  • u/Less_Marsupial_2919原评论
    关于QAP的观点很有意思——尤其是它不受主仓装满程度影响的部分。 你理想中希望那个口袋在背着包时能从外面取用，还是放下包时容易取用就够了？ 你通常把什么放在QAP里——手机、钱包、护照、钥匙、太阳镜等？
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    Interesting point about the QAP — especially the part about it not being affected by how full the main compartment is. Would you ideally want that pocket to be accessible from the outside while the bag is being worn, or is easy access when the bag is set down enough? And what do you usually keep in your QAP — phone, wallet, passport, keys, sunglasses, etc.?
  • u/OJGThree原评论
    理想情况下是背着时，但放下时也没那么不重要……而且我不是要求在包外面加一个大矩形盒子，只是要一个能装手机、钱包、钥匙，任何我想在过TSA前从口袋里拿出来放进包里的东西。
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    Ideally when worn, but not that much less important when set down....and I am not asking for a big rectangular box on the outside of the bag, just something that, yeah, can hold a phone, wallet, keys, anything that I want to take out of my pockets and put in the bag before going through TSA
  • u/Jorge-I-Figueroa原评论
    我是Evergoods的超级粉丝，喜欢CTB26，但是天哪，装满时它在舒适性方面设计得太差了。
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    I'm a big fan of evergoods, love the ctb26, but boy, it is so poorly designed for comfort when packed.
  • u/Less_Marsupial_2919原评论
    这很有意思，因为CTB26总体上获得了很多赞誉。装满时，具体是什么让你不舒服——肩带、背板、重量分布、缺少负重提升带，还是别的？ 有没有某个特定的重量/打包配置让你开始注意到这个问题？
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    That's interesting because the CTB26 gets a lot of praise overall. When it's packed, what specifically makes it uncomfortable for you — the shoulder straps, back panel, weight distribution, lack of load lifters, or something else? And is there a particular weight/packing setup where you start noticing the problem?
  • u/Jorge-I-Figueroa原评论
    我有很多Evergoods包，chz22 v2和v3、cpl24、ctb26、plc20、td35、cas 2、mhp 它们看起来不错，ctb26能装很多，但我带着它一整天，装着笔记本电脑等，在京都、伏见稻荷、金阁寺，买了些横须贺夹克，岚山，我的背被勒出印子，Evergoods的背负系统不是为那种情况做的，我还有一个mpl22，连那个也没那么舒服（这个倒是很适合快速往里扔东西）
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    I have a ton of evergoods bags, chz22 v2 and v3, cpl24, ctb26, plc20, td35, cas 2, mhp They look nice, ctb26 carries a ton, but I took mine all day, laptop and all in Kyoto, Fushimi inari, kinkaku ji, bought some sukajan , arashiyama and my back was marked, the evergoods harness is mot made for that, i also have a mpl22 and not even that is that comfortable (this one is great for throwing thing in quickly)
  • u/ducmite原评论
    我觉得这取决于用户背部有多高。如果我把CTB26的肩带收紧，它很棒，但我能感觉到当肩带太松时，底端会搁在我下背部，我觉得重载时它真的会勒进去、不舒服。我见过有人提到拆掉背部的结构板会有帮助。
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    I think it depends on how tall back user has. If I have my CTB26 straps tight it is great but I can tell when shoulder straps are too loose, the bottom end rests on my lower back and I feel with a heavy load it could really dig in and be uncomfortable. I've seen people mention that removing the structural sheet in the back would help.