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回归背包露营求推荐1人帐篷

Return to backpacking, tent advice needed

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楼主想重新开始背包露营，求推荐1人帐篷。他之前只有00年代初的Eureka 4p和TNF Wawona 8（家庭车露营用），没有非自立帐篷经验也不感兴趣，但可接受半自立设计。目前倾向Tarptent Moment DW和Nemo Dragonfly，要求能放进40L背包、双层帐（应对海岸高湿度）、自立。他觉得Moment的LI版价格相近但更轻，Nemo则对新手更舒适、前庭装备区不错。

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在这个版块发帖，是因为发现 r/ultralight 既不是合适的地方，他们也不是一群友好的人。 我正在考虑买一顶单人帐篷。我上一顶背包帐篷是00年代初的 eureka 4p，你能想象那有多重。我唯一的另一顶帐篷是 TNF Wawona 8，带门廊附加件，用于家庭汽车露营。 我有兴趣重新开始背包旅行（北加州/中加州）。我对非自立式帐篷零经验，而且它们不吸引我。我可能会被说服接受半自立式设计。 我目前的首选是 tarptent moment dw 和 nemo dragonfly。这有点奇怪，因为它们看起来是非常不同的帐篷。但老实说，它们各自以不同的方式满足我的需求。 我想要一顶轻/小到能放进我的40升背包的帐篷（如果需要，帐杆可以分开）。 我想要一顶双层帐篷，以防我在海岸边露营，那里晚上相对湿度接近100%。 如前所述，自立式，我有经验。 moment 感觉是更好的选择，LI 版本价格差不多，但比 nemo 轻得多。它还让我可以尝试半自立式。另一方面，对于以前没有这么极简过的人来说，nemo 似乎更舒适一些，而且门廊里的装备区看起来相当不错。
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Posting in this sub after discovering r/ultralight was neither the right place nor were they a friendly bunch. I'm trying to decide on a 1p tent. Last backpacking tent I had was a early 00s eureka 4p, you can imagine how much that weighed. My only other tent is a TNF Wawona 8, with porch add on for family car camping. I'm interested in getting back out there (Northern Cal/Central Cal). I have zero experience with non-freestanding tents, and they don't interest me. I could be talked into a semi-freestanding design. My current leaders are the tarptent moment dw and nemo dragonfly. Which is weird because they seem like very different tents. But they honestly fit my needs in their own way. I want a tent light/small enough to fit in my 40l pack (poles separate if needed) I want a double wall tent in case I camp along the coast here where rh is near 100% at night. As mentioned, free standing which I have experience in. The moment feels like the better option with the LI version about the same price but much lighter than the nemo. It also lets me play with semi-freestanding. On the other hand the nemo seems a bit more comfortable for someone who hasn't gone this minimal before, and the gear area in the vestibule looks pretty slick.

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按 Reddit 默认排序的前 8 条，翻译时的快照；不含点赞数

评论区观点评论区主要建议选择双人自立式双层帐篷，以应对结露并增加舒适度，推荐了 Big Agnes copper spur 2P。有评论提到单杖金字塔帐篷在防结露方面有优势，但另一条评论指出更大内部空间能稀释水分，减少结露。整体上，大家认为为了额外空间和舒适度，稍微增加重量是值得的。

  • u/like_4-ish_lights原评论
    如果你露营的地方可能结露，我建议你选择双人帐篷。在我看来，稍微增加的重量被以下事实抵消了：你整晚不会碰到帐篷侧壁（而且你可以把装备带进去）。 我对你列出的两顶帐篷都没有意见，但我确实认为选择自立式双层帐篷是个好选择，即使超轻群体不同意。
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    If condensation is likely to be an issue for you where you camp, I'm going to suggest going with a two-person tent. The slight weight penalty is, imo, offset by the fact that you aren't touching the sides of the tent all night (and you can bring your gear in with you). I don't have an opinion on either of the tents that you have listed, but I do think going with a freestanding double wall is a good choice, even if the ultralight crowd disagrees
  • u/SuperSlugSister原评论
    这是专业回复。我是一个超轻背包客——虽然我不在乎牙刷，而且在 JMT 上21天穿同样的2条裤子/3件衬衫——但双人帐篷为了多出的几盎司完全值得。 我喜欢 Big Agnes copper spur 2P 用于轻松的背包旅行。我有一个蚊帐睡袋套用于超轻跑步。
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    This is the pro response. I’m an ultralight backpacker and— though I have no handle on the toothbrush and I wore the same 2 pants/3 shirts for 21 days on the JMT— the 2p tent is totally worth it for the extra couple oz. I like Big Agnes copper spur 2P for mellow backpacking. I have a mosquito net bivy net for ultralight running.
  • u/like_4-ish_lights原评论
    我远非超轻，但我也喜欢我的 copper spur 2p！坚固、易于搭建，而且收纳起来很小。
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    I am far from ultralight but I love my copper spur 2p as well! sturdy, easy to set up, and packs down small.
  • u/SuperSlugSister原评论
    我唯一的问题是，如果你经常使用，网纱可能很脆弱——我喜欢用 tenacious tape 的网纱补丁。
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    My only issue with it is that the screen can be fragile if you use it a lot— i like the screen patches from tenacious tape.
  • u/Jolly-Slow1164原评论
    我在 UL 版块相当活跃，但我没有参与你的帖子，所以我决定去看看我应该对我的兄弟姐妹们有多恼火，他们有时钻研得太深。我发现了诸如“我们想要对你最好的”这样不友好的评论，以及温和地提醒他们，他们对论坛、新的 UL 徒步者以及 Google 算法有责任，只做出最轻量的推荐，并附上那些没有此类义务的子版块链接……那边的人真可怕……就像他们应该警告人们一样。 抱歉，我评论的真正原因是应该有人提到，单杖金字塔（-ish）帐篷可能是处理结露的最佳帐篷。UL 的人太习惯于提重量，以至于忘记了提及他们决定的简单物理和几何原理。每个表面都是倾斜的，这会将水引走。X 穹顶，尤其是那些带有横杆的，顶部有一个大的、几乎平坦的表面，这会促使更大的水滴形成，滴落的机会更大。穹顶被认为滴水较少，因为不可避免的滴水发生的位置，是的，滴到脸上是个问题，但所有未被注意到的滴到装备上的水实际上更……
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    I'm pretty active over in UL, but I hadn't interacted with your post, so I decided to check how annoyed I should be with my brothers & sisters, who sometimes delve too deep. I found such unfriendly comments as "we want what's best for you" and gentle reminders that they have a duty to the forum, new UL hikers, and the Google algorithm to make only the lightest recommendations, with links to subs that didn't have such obligations... Such horrible people over there... It's like they should warn people. Sorry, the real reason I'm commenting is because someone should mention that single trekking pole pyramid(ish) tents are probably the best tents for dealing with condensation. The UL guys are so used to mentioning weight, they forget to mention the simple physics and geometry of their decision. Every surface is angled which draws water away. X domes, especially those with a spreader bar have a large, mostly flat surface at the top, which encourages larger drops to form, with a greater chance of dripping. Domes are perceived as less drippy because of where the inevitable drips happen, and yes, a drip to the face is a concern, but all the unacknowledged drips on gear is actually more concerning. Everyone who says they are prioritizating condensation/moisture management and interior space, should be told that those are conflicting requirements, before pointing out that 2 trekking pole tents, and single hoop tents are about equal seconds. All of these tent types exist in single/double wall versions. Though I think the community forgets what single wall meant when the "condensation is worse" advice was founded... Ya know, 20+ years ago before Zpacks style tents revolutionized that space (does anyone remember when we were calling them 1.5 wall tents)... I guess the brushing the walls concern still exists... I use shaped tarp so I haven't slept in a single wall very often.
  • u/dandurston原评论
    关于屋顶角度如何影响滴水行为，这些观点很好。不过，还有一点是内部空间如何与之相互作用。一个非常宽敞的1人或1+帐篷，带有横杆和更陡的侧壁，其内部空间大约是一个小型1P金字塔帐篷的两倍，这意味着帐篷内呼吸产生的水分会被大大稀释，内部更难达到露点。当然，这仍然可能发生，但通常你会得到更少的结露，因为更大的空间稀释了水分。
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    Those are good points about how roof angles affect drip behavior. One additional thing though is how interior volume interacts with that. A very roomy 1 or 1+ tent with a crossbar and steeper sidewalls can have roughly double the interior volume of a small 1P pyramid, which means moisture inside the tent from breathing gets much more diluted and it's harder to bring the interior up to the dewpoint. Certainly it can still happen, but often you do get less condensation because the larger volume dilutes the moisture.
  • u/latdaddi原评论
    是的，我基础重量7.5磅，1+、2p或2p+才是王道。 我的2p+很棒。即使有人跟我一起，也很宽敞。
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    Yuuuup, I rock a 7.5 lb base weight and a 1+, 2p or 2p+ is where it's at. My 2p+ is awesome. Roomy even when I got someone along with me.
  • u/SuperSlugSister原评论
    是的，一样。只需要几天的坏天气就能明白为什么额外的空间完全值得额外的盎司。
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    Yes, same. Just takes a couple days of bad weather to see why the extra room is completely worth the extra oz.