JMT 16天徒步装备清单求减重建议

评论区观点评论区整体认为装备清单已经不错，主要建议是精简：多数人推荐租或买Bearikade熊罐、只带一个10k充电宝、去掉CNOC水袋和燃料转移阀，并把容量控制在2L以内；关于被子温标存在分歧，有人建议20F甚至30F，也有人认为优质40F足够。还有人建议通过测试耗电、减少食物重量和替换更轻配件来减重。

• u/yogurt_tub9月29日 10:53原评论
  看起来已经很不错了！祝你在JMT玩得开心。那是一次很棒的冒险。 以下是我对一些容易减重的第一印象： • 扔掉CNOC和你现在的水瓶，换成两个1L Dasani。把Sawyer留在其中一个上。反正我个人在PCT穿越Sierra时从来不想超过2L容量 • 强烈推荐Bearikade weekender，你可以从Wild Ideas租。我觉得他们应该会给JMT徒步者折扣？ • 合理使用电池的话，一个10k就够了。我并没有那么节制，我的（相当旧的）手机也从来没死过 • 把Petzl换成RovyVon能省一些克。但要注意，在灯笼模式下它勉强够用于夜间登顶Whitney。 • 酒精是干什么用的？ • 你可以带少得多的肥皂，也仍然够用 • 你需要食物袋吗，既然你有熊罐和带框架的背包？完全没必要把所有食物从罐里拿出来 • 我敢打赌你根本不会太想念凉鞋或坐垫！！ • igneous bidet重量只有三分之一，而且真的很好 • 你的tensor elite用得怎么样？我出于fastpacking的原因非常好奇，很想听听
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  Looking good already! Have so much fun on the JMT. It’s a great adventure. Here’s my first impressions of some easy weight savings: • ditch the CNOC and your current water bottles for two 1L Dasanis. Keep the Sawyer on one of them. I personally never wanted more than 2L capacity through the Sierra on the PCT anyway • would highly recommend a Bearikade weekender, which you can rent from Wild Ideas. I think they will give JMTers a discount? • One 10k is enough with judicious battery use. I am not that judicious and never had my (quite old) phone die • swapping the Petzl for a RovyVon will save you some grams. Caveat that it’s barely enough in lantern mode for a night summit of Whitney. • What’s the alcohol for? • You can bring way less soap and it’ll still be enough • do you need a food bag, since you’ve got a bear canister and framed pack? No need to ever unpack all food from the can • I bet you wouldn’t miss the sandals or sit pad much at all!! • an igneous bidet is a third of the weight and really good • how’s your tensor elite held up? I’m very curious about it for fastpacking reasons and would love to hear
• u/Inevitable-Assist5319月29日 14:35原评论
  酒精是干什么用的 要么喝，要么当燃料。我猜是前者 :-)。
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  What’s the alcohol for Either for drinking or using as a fuel source. I suspect the former :-).
• u/_significs9月29日 12:56原评论
  我今年夏天七月旅行时的装备和你的很像。我觉得你用这套配置会挺不错。 我附议租Bearikade的建议。他们给JMT全程徒步者折扣——你只要发邮件问他们要一个折扣码，如果走JMT他们就会给你折扣。你想要哪个型号取决于你计划的食物补给间隔有多长。另外，提前研究一下你打算怎么携带熊罐；JMT是我第一次用熊罐，我费了点劲才把所有食物装进罐里，并搞清楚怎么把它合适地放在背包上。 我觉得燃料转移阀大概是不必要的装备。因人而异，但我怀疑你不会想摆弄它。 cnoc袋大概也不必要。你在任何时候真的不需要超过2升。 我会选20*被子。我今年7月底在那里，用的是EE被子，我很庆幸带的是20*而不是40*。EE被子的温标真的非常激进。 电力方面，真的取决于你的补给和电池使用。走SOBO的话，电力最困难的一段是MTR到whitney；那一段真的没有任何充电选择……
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  my kit was pretty similar to yours for a july trip this summer. I think you'd be pretty fine with this loadout. I second the rec for renting a bearikade. they do a discount for JMT thrus - you just email them and ask for a code and they'll give you a discount if you're doing the JMT. what model you want is going to depend on how long you're looking at for your food carries. also, do your research in advance on how you plan to carry the bear can; JMT was my first time using one and I had to do a bit of messing around to get all my food in the can + figure out how to get it situated on my pack right. I think the fuel transfer valve is probably unnecessary kit. YMMV but I doubt you're going to want to fiddle with it. the cnoc bag is also probably unnecessary. you really don't need more than 2 liters at any point. I would go with the 20* quilt. I was there late july this year with an EE quilt and I was glad I had a 20* and not a 40*. The EE quilts are really very aggressively rated. for power, really depends on your resupply and your battery usage. going sobo, the hardest stretch for power is going to be MTR to whitney; there really aren't any recharge options during that stretch unless you zero in Independence. If you don't zero in independence, you can just have another battery in your resupply and carry the extra 8-10oz. Charging is pretty easy to find at Tuolomne/Reds/MTR/VVR. If you do zero in Independence, you probably can get by on a 10kmah battery, but you've got plenty of time to test between now and then to dial in. I don't see a PLB. Get one. The iPhone SOS is not reliable enough to be used in the backcountry, yet. SAR is very active in the Sierra. It's stupidlight not to carry some kind of dedicated SOS device. you might also consider a down puffy. depends on what the weather is like, but you can definitely get mornings down into the 30s, especially at elevation. if you want to cut weight, there are definitely places to do it - foam pad instead of the inflatable, water bottles, skip luxuries, switch to a tarp, etc. - but whether you want to is up to you. if you've never been out in the sierra, give yourself some leniency on your daily mileage, and take your training seriously. just about everyone i talked to who was doing it for the first time (except PCTers) was struck by how much harder it was than they'd thought. you've still got plenty of time obv. and have a ton of fun!
• u/Top_Contest13989月29日 13:42原评论
  在买第二块电池之前，用你预期在路上的确切设置做一次三天测试：飞行模式、离线地图、拍照使用，并且不要顺手补电。把观察到的耗电量除以补给点之间的天数，再为寒冷天气和电池老化加一点余量。这样就能告诉你一块10k充电宝是否够用，而不是只靠猜测再带一块。至于熊罐，先从当前土地管理方的要求开始，然后根据你最长的食物携带段所需食物体积来选择，而不只是看空罐重量。
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  Before buying a second battery, do a three-day test using the exact settings you expect on trail: airplane mode, offline maps, photo use, and no opportunistic top-ups. Divide the observed drain by the number of days between resupply points and add a margin for cold weather and battery age. That will tell you whether one 10k bank is enough without carrying another bank based only on guesswork. For the bear canister, start with the current land-manager requirements and choose by the food volume needed for your longest carry, not just empty weight.
• u/GoSox25259月30日 02:27原评论
  我也在看加一个alpenglow fuel transfer，这样有可用的半空罐时就能直接捡来用。 不，完全没必要。如果没有所需的温差，它甚至都不会起作用。直接买一罐新的就行。 我在考虑是否需要额外的5kmAh电池、再加一个10kmAh，还是只要1个10mAh 一个10 mAh就够了。 我也有一个40度被子，但暂时列的是20度，因为我不知道下个季节那么远的天气。 30F会是最佳选择 说说你的LP： 背包 • 你被那个背包内衬骗了。卖掉它，回点钱，改用nylofume。重量差不多，效果一样好，而且便宜大约40倍。 • 对于你携带的轻量负载，你完全可以换一个轻得多的背包。你的背包大概有它所需重量的两倍。无框架是显而易见的选择 庇护所 • 看起来不错 睡眠系统 • 在我看来，20F被子对7月底到8月初来说过头了。你完全可以带接近16 oz而不是25 oz的东西。但也许你睡觉怕冷，我不知道。 • 扔掉枕头绑带 • 在我看来，你的睡垫和其余装备相比相当扎眼。盛夏……
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  I also was looking at also adding an alpenglow fuel transfer so I can just pick up partially used canisters when available. No, entirely unnecessary. It won't even work if you don't have the needed temperature differential. Just buy a new can once. Was contemplating needing the additional 5kmAh battery, another 10kmAh, or just 1 10mAh A single 10 mAh is all you need. I also own a 40 degree quilt but listed my 20 degree for the time being as I don't know the weather that far out for next season. a 30F would be the best choice Onto your LP: Pack • You have been bamboozled with that pack liner. Sell it, get some money back, and use nylofume instead. About the same weight, works just as well, and about 40 times cheaper. • For the light load that you're carrying, you could get a way lighter pack. Yours is like twice the weight it needs to be. Frameless is a no-brainer Shelter • looks good Sleep System • IMO a 20F quilt is overkill for late July-early August. You could easily carry something that is closer to 16 oz than 25 oz. But maybe you're a cold sleeper, I dunno. • Ditch the pillow strap • Your sleeping pad is pretty glaring compared to the rest of your kit imo. Mid-summer, CCF is plenty. Chop it down to torso size. The pad that you're carrying is R 2.4, which is on par with all go-to CCF pads on the market. And yet it is heavier, and it comes with the huge liability of being able to completely fail at any time. To me, accepting that risk only makes sense at much higher R values where foam cannot compete, in terms of warmth-to-weight ratio. At R 2.4, accepting that risk (and paying $200 for it) makes no sense. If you haven't tried foam, you owe it to yourself. Cook System • An Evernew 900ml pot is half the weight of yours • ditch cannister stand, you won't ever need that Electronics • Your Kakwa has strap pockets. Ditch the phone zip pouch • replace the headlamp with a RovyVon A5 or Nitecore Tiki MedKit • ditch the carabiner • replace the space bear bag with a simple ziploc • ditch the swiss army knife; you'll never need that • you already have a mini bic in your cook kit; don't carry another • don't wrap luekotape around your lighter. It just becomes a sticky mess. Stick strips to wax paper • ditch the repair spool • what's the vaseline for? Bathroom Kit • Swap the space bears bag for a ziploc • sway the Duece 2 for a QiWiz Original • swap the CuloClean for any other bidet. The Litesmith Jetza is like 1/4 the weight. Or a DIY bottle cap bidet is like 2 grams Clothes • ditch the stuff sackl; you already have a backpack • did you seam seal your Leve jacket? And if so, was the weight updated? Self Care • Ditch the towel; you already have one in your cook kit • Why the mesh bag here? You already have little bags for both your med kit and your bathroom kit. You don't need a third Water • There is no reason to carry a heavy Thrubottle over a Smarwater bottle • ditch te Vecto; it's both heavy and fragile. Just use Smartwater bottles on both sides of the filter • I'd replace the Squeeze with a QuickDraw. Lighter and better. Food • You don't need that rehydrationbag; just eat uut of your pot Luxury • ditch the camp shoes. I'm not just saying this to be a gram-counting weenie. The Zpacks camp shoes are quite literally worse than having nothing at all. I carried a pair on the JMT, and it was a total waste. Even pinecones poke through the sole. • ditch the sit pad. Also, call it what it is. A full-length Thinlight isn't a sit pad, it's a sleeping pad protector. Which only further highlights the absurdity of your pad choice. Why pay a premium for a UL inflatable if it's so fragile and unreliable that you need to add 4 oz back in in th form of the Thinlight..? If you just sleep on a thicker CCF (like 6 panels of Switchback), then you get a luxury sit pad and and indestructible sleeping pad and you get to save weight overall and you can make your money back on the Tensor.
• u/Ok_Use55969月29日 21:21原评论
  一条优质的40F被子对我来说在那里够用；但不是EE的。撇开政治包袱不谈。 过去三年，从七月到九月初，我记录了35个夜晚的低温，大多在10500英尺以上露营。有一次在Ionian降到29F，有些夜晚在三十几度，平均41F。 10k就是10天的电量，同样是个人经验。我只给手机和手表供电。我的小型无反相机和头灯轻松撑完全程。 如果这是一生一次的旅行，就租一个Bearikade。否则就买一个，也许在二手市场买。完全值得
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  A quality 40F quilt works for me there; but that’s not the EE. Not withstanding the political baggage. I kept track of the lows over 35 nights the last three years from July into early September mostly camping above 10500’. Once it got down to 29F in Ionian, a little in the thirties, average 41F. 10k is 10 days of power, again personal experience. I only power phone and watch. My small mirrorless and the headlamp goes the distance easily. If this is a once in a lifetime trip rent a Bearikade. Otherwise buy one possibly on the used market. Totally worth it
• u/Typical-Algae-29529月30日 03:33原评论
  看起来很棒。只有两件补充（我想是在上面那些之外）……1. 你为什么需要第二根USB C线？Flextail 10k自带挂绳和c to c线，重量就是你列的145gr（抱歉，为英国换算了一下！）。2. 我有一部带壳的iPhone，很重。我买了一部Honor 400 Lite，省了大约70-80克。它是Android，但用起来其实像iPhone。设置很简单。只要给iPhone弄一张实体SIM卡，旅行前换到Honor里就行。那是我能找到的最轻、相机还不错、又不太贵的手机。
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  Looking great. Only two things in addition (I think to above)…1. Why do you need a second USB C cable? Flextail 10k has a built in lanyard with c to c cable at the weight you list of 145gr (sorry translated for UK!). 2. I have an iPhone with case and it’s heavily. I bought an Honor 400 Lite which saves around 70-80 grams. It’s Android but actually flows like an iPhone. Simple to set up. Just get a physical SIM for the iPhone and switch it into the Honor before the trip. That was the lightest phone I could find that has a decent enough camera and isn’t silly money.
• u/parrotia789月30日 02:07原评论
  装备没问题。重点减少16天的食物重量。它绝对是单个最重、也最可能占体积的物品。
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  Kit is fine. Focus on reducing the 16 days food wt. It's by far the single heaviest and most likely likely voluminous item.